tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3873756940955163469.post661535300884860705..comments2024-03-18T18:05:25.821-07:00Comments on VISIONS OF THE NORTH: Last Man SearchingRussell Potterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11023313195827310776noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3873756940955163469.post-34760703794914953352021-01-17T10:41:31.360-08:002021-01-17T10:41:31.360-08:00Of course we now know that HMS Erebus was the firs...Of course we now know that HMS Erebus was the first ship to sink, since her wreck was found in Victoria Strait while HMS Terror was found a hundred miles to the South and West. <br /><br />I have been hoping that, since the discovery of both wrecks and their condition, that written records will ultimately be found and salvageable on one of the wrecks; unfortunately, the Arctic being the Arctic, the conditions at the wreck sites have not been conducive to the archeology work that would be necessary for this to come to fruition--and that's if it is not just a pipe dream of mine. Zombie Leninhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06320711947758862608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3873756940955163469.post-18283604127860002362014-11-26T06:15:36.078-08:002014-11-26T06:15:36.078-08:00Andrés, there was indeed a pile of goods and cloth...Andrés, there was indeed a pile of goods and clothes at Erebus bay too -- seems to have been a slightly smaller one -- as well as two whaleboats. The sequence of events is still the question: even if "Terror" had sunk, the surviving crews could have been crammed into "Erebus" (that's what Parry did when he lost the "Fury"). On the other hand, it's possible that the men might have built a substantial camp building of some sort, though I suspect they'd choose snow over stone -- something like the Rosses' <a href="http://libweb5.princeton.edu/visual_materials/maps/websites/northwest-passage/ross2-7.htm" rel="nofollow">building</a> at Fury Beach.Russell Potterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11023313195827310776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3873756940955163469.post-60174168495992169012014-11-26T02:57:52.119-08:002014-11-26T02:57:52.119-08:00Thanks Russell. I was thinking on a camp for a lon...Thanks Russell. I was thinking on a camp for a long stay not on a transitory one. If the Terror sank in front of Erebus Bay during the winter of 1848, after having remanned it, the men likely could have abandoned the ships and have built a camp there for wintering. However, as there are only traces of a single stone house and not piles of goods and clothes then surely I am wrong.Andrés Paredeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17283802897907742244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3873756940955163469.post-50566407403419795092014-11-24T17:04:13.528-08:002014-11-24T17:04:13.528-08:00The "house of stone" is a compelling pro...The "house of stone" is a compelling prospect! Thanks for sharing this tale of Franklin dedication. Best of luck to Mr. Gross--many of us would love to accompany him!Jaeschylushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12204972787032135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3873756940955163469.post-4341201197538628152014-11-18T08:52:10.994-08:002014-11-18T08:52:10.994-08:00Hi Andrés, and thanks for your comment, thoughtful...Hi Andrés, and thanks for your comment, thoughtful as ever. This "stone house," from the description Tom Gross was given, seems much too substantial for use as part of a camp -- they had tents, after all -- although Gross also believes that it was used to store or cache some supplies. The difficult thing about the Washington Bay encounter is we don't know exactly what year that was; the "classical" narrative says 1848, but Woodman and others are thinking 1849 or even 1850.Russell Potterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11023313195827310776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3873756940955163469.post-29814547381126425162014-11-18T08:08:06.476-08:002014-11-18T08:08:06.476-08:00It is a relief knowing that there is still someone...It is a relief knowing that there is still someone looking on the ground in King William Island. <br /><br />I had never heard anything about that stone house in Erebus Bay, thanks for mention it <br /><br />Could that stone house have been a winter camp done after a second landing during the winter 1848-1849 instead of the Franklin grave? The alleged fact that the officer, who was seen in Whasington Bay by the Inuit, described that his ships had been crushed by the ice, together with the recent finding of the Erebus southern than that Bay makes me think on that possibility. If those were the men which had abandoned the ships in the spring of 1848, they must have left the ships near Victory point in good shape.<br />Andrés Paredeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17283802897907742244noreply@blogger.com